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GN[US Open - 2010 US Go Congress - Round 3 Board 2 - Yongfei Ge 7d vs Eric Lui 7d ]PW[Yongfei Ge]PB[Eric Lui]WR[7d]BR[7d]DT[2010-08-03]EV[US Open]RO[3]PC[The KGS Go Server at http://www.gokgs.com/]US[Chris Burg]C[USGO2 [-\]: Welcome to the 2010 U.S. Go Congress live broadcast of the U.S. Open in Colorado Springs, Colorado, brought to you by the American Go E-Journal, KGS and the American Go Association. Check out our website – www.usgo.org - for the latest Congress reports, photos and game records, as well as go news from around the world.
USGO2 [-\]: This is round 3, board 2.  I'm Chris Burg, your game recorder today.
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;B[pd]
;W[dp]
;B[pq]C[huli [1k\]: thank you
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;W[ce]C[F525 [15k\]: C15. My 15k-eyes tell me that this is unusual.
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei splits his attention between the board and the rest of the room.
Vovka27 [3k\]: Is there life stream today?
Domgo [3k\]: not realy
Domgo [3k\]: just a different strategy
Dagobert [4d\]: c15 is common, but rarely played nowadays
USGO2 [-\]: Eric gets up for a cup of water from the water station., then returns and takes his seat.
F525 [15k\]: Then it's not common, is it?
tuerda [1d\]: cannot be both common and rare dagobert
USGO2 [-\]: Currently there is no video feed.  There may be one later.
Dagobert [4d\]: depends on the time ;-)
tuerda [1d\]: but it is not rare at all
Dagobert [4d\]: 150 years ago q16 was uncommon ;-)
tuerda [1d\]: yes
yosogo [1d\]: is tonight still have pro to comment?
tuerda [1d\]: however you spoke in present tense
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei removes a hair from his bowl of stones.
F525 [15k\]: I have observed hundreds of high dan games on KGS, and I've seen that move like once before.
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;B[ed]C[tuerda [1d\]: odd
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;W[dc]
;B[ec]C[tuerda [1d\]: it is not nearly as unusual
Domgo [3k\]: if
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;W[db]C[tuerda [1d\]: as some of the really bizarre things that are popular on kgs
Domgo [3k\]: d17 was the first move then e16, is c15 common move
F525 [15k\]: Well, then we have that guy that starts every game with tengen.
F525 [15k\]: I forget his nick.
ertw: what is tengen
F525 [15k\]: K10.
tuerda [1d\]: ZI meant more those guys who take all 4 7-7 points and such
tuerda [1d\]: I have seen that numerous times on kgs, but it is very infrequent
ertw: haha
F525 [15k\]: I predict
F525 [15k\]: tenuki.
Dagobert [4d\]: no
yamashitaK [5d\]: e14
USGO2 [-\]: The room is filled with stone clicks and an occasional verbal outburst from the clocks.
Domgo [3k\]: if tenuki
Dagobert [4d\]: sth around j16 or e14 
Domgo [3k\]: white do g16
DanielFox [1k?\]: what does the room smell like USGO?
Domgo [3k\]: or a move this way
USGO2 [-\]: The room smells like victory.
Dagobert [4d\]: dmogo, not g16 but sth like j16 
Domgo [3k\]: j16 is not too far?
F525 [15k\]: Is the room hot? If you can provide temperature measurings, please provide them in celsius.
Meepy [-\]: haha, some day we'll miss those ing clocks
Dagobert [4d\]: g16 is too close
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;B[ef]C[Domgo [3k\]: then h16
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;W[de]
;B[ee]
;W[eb]C[Dagobert [4d\]: boring ... joseki ..
USGO2 [-\]: The room hasn't been getting as warm as it was on day 1, thankfully.
Dagobert [4d\]: g17 
F525 [15k\]: My limited knowledge of Go tells me that B is better off here.
Dagobert [4d\]: f525: joseki
Domgo [3k\]: white is far better f525
yamashitaK [5d\]: r9
Dagobert [4d\]: it´s a matter of style
DanielFox [1k?\]: 15k comments essential for enjoyment of this game
ithuriel [2d\]: lol
USGO2 [-\]: Both players fidget restlessly in their seats.
F525 [15k\]: Is Yongfei male?
USGO2 [-\]: Yes
ertw: both male and female need to go
F525 [15k\]: Can the top female Go players measure up to their male equivalents?
Prospero [4k\]: Yes
F525 [15k\]: Cool.
DanielFox [1k?\]: they have to use smaller stones though
freemind [1d\]: and pink goes first
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;B[qk]C[yamashitaK [5d\]: ha
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;W[nc]C[freemind [1d\]: :P
Dupaaxe [?\]: ooo that I guess :)
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei crosses his arms and lets out a prodigious yawn.
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;B[pf]
;W[kd]C[Dagobert [4d\]: F525: who do you think is ahead now?
USGO2 [-\]: Eric sits with hands folded between his knees as his eyes dart across the board.
F525 [15k\]: I'd say B still.
Dupaaxe [?\]: B is not happy
F525 [15k\]: But being "ahead" or "behind" in the earlier stages of Go games never seems to matter at all.
USGO2 [-\]: Eric begins his habitual stone-tumbling in his bowl.
USGO2 [-\]: He removes a stone but doesn't play it.
F525 [15k\]: Can you explain the stone-tumbling a bit more in-depth?
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;B[ic]C[F525 [15k\]: Does he stir the stones around? Does he pick up one and let it drop? Does he pick up a few?
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;W[jc]C[tuerda [1d\]: usgo2 not only move recorder, but also narrator
USGO2 [-\]: He tumbles two stones over each other repeatedly.
Dagobert [4d\]: just 2?
USGO2 [-\]: Just 2
F525 [15k\]: So it's kind of like playing with the chips in poker, eh. Is it considered rude to make a lot of sound with your stones at all times?
USGO2 [-\]: Yongei's chair shakes slightly as he bounces his legs.
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;B[id]
;W[kf]C[gacua [1d\]: Is that fact really important? lol
gacua [1d\]: How is Yongei face?
tm93 [1d\]: of course , it has a strong effect in the game
Dagobert [4d\]: the show must go on!
tuerda [1d\]: depends on who is doing the considering f525
USGO2 [-\]: The mannerisms of the players can reveal a good deal about what's going on in their heads.
tuerda [1d\]: some people don't care, other people are very bothered
F525 [15k\]: Are you allowed to listen to music while playing?
DanielFox [1k?\]: KGS needs an EKG readout
sheeryjay [2k\]: the 2 stone playing is quite common ... I do it as well and of course I make really sure nothing is heard
Dupaaxe [?\]: body language :)
Dagobert [4d\]: f525: you are
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;B[jp]C[Domgo [3k\]: still no video?
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;W[hq]C[F525 [15k\]: I'd like to see a pro listen to a mp3-player some time.
Dagobert [4d\]: up to now i´ve seen only amateurs listening to music
USGO2 [-\]: Unfortunately no, if one does go up later, it will likely be on board 1.
Dupaaxe [?\]: solar storm touch eart this night ?
Dupaaxe [?\]: earth
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;B[ho]
;W[fq]C[tuerda [1d\]: only if b wins, otherwise the storm will have to wait
F525 [15k\]: I predict that whoever plays tengen in this game
F525 [15k\]: wins.
tuerda [1d\]: what if nobody does?
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;B[po]C[F525 [15k\]: Then they both lose and the universe implodes.
Bazilikan [2k\]: there is a proverb
Dagobert [4d\]: that was a 15k prediction ;-)
F525 [15k\]: You have been warned.
Bazilikan [2k\]: who even gets tengen wins
Dupaaxe [?\]: oo not play in open area :)
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;W[ok]C[USGO2 [-\]: A loud clack accompanies the play of P9.
DanielFox [1k?\]: A loud quack?
Bazilikan [2k\]: Dagobert give us the vague and uncomrehesable 4dan prediction
Neospring [3k\]: yes daniel daffy duck is watching
Dagobert [4d\]: my prediction: whoever plays h11 will win this game
F525 [15k\]: You got yourself a bet.
F525 [15k\]: The prize will be one teaching game.
F525 [15k\]: If I am right, you will play one teaching game with me.
F525 [15k\]: If I am wrong, I will play one teaching game with you.
Dagobert [4d\]: lol
Bazilikan [2k\]: oh my
Dupaaxe [?\]: hm O 9 better for B ?
F525 [15k\]: It doesn't have to be Go, though, you can request other stuff that I could possibly teach you.
Dagobert [4d\]: do you play chess?
tuerda [1d\]: lets play a teaching game of tic tac toe
F525 [15k\]: Yes, but I'm not very good at it.
Bazilikan [2k\]: how to be high dan but still remain a human being
Domgo [3k\]: what if the same guy take tengen and h11?
Dagobert [4d\]: then the other one has to resign?
Bazilikan [2k\]: just kidding thats impossible
F525 [15k\]: Ba-zing!
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei gets up and leaves the room.
Bazilikan [2k\]: is there a feed?
F525 [15k\]: Is there prize money for #1?
USGO2 [-\]: Yilun Yang visits the board briefly on his customary circuit of the room.
A1R [4k\]: isnt hane naoki there too?
USGO2 [-\]: The list of Congress attendees this year can be found at http://gocongress.org/list.php?o=rddalafacasa
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei returns to his seat.
USGO2 [-\]: Eric takes a stone and motinos as if to play, but instead returns the stone to the bowl.
Dagobert [4d\]: difficult for b
F525 [15k\]: Tengen.
Dagobert [4d\]: w has nearly both ladders
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;B[oj]
;W[nj]C[Dagobert [4d\]: k4 h5 look a bit strange if w lives in the center
Bazilikan [2k\]: USGO2 you have a future as a sport commentator...
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;B[pj]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei leans very far over the board as he considers his response.
Hellhuman [1d\]: dont you just have a stream link^^?
Bazilikan [2k\]: only eurogo
Kryo [10k\]: Narration is so much better than the stream ;)
Dagobert [4d\]: but usgo2 tries very hard to compensate the missing stream
Hellhuman [1d\]: and he is doing a great job :)
USGO2 [-\]: He rests an elbow on the side of the table and reads, head in hand.
Bazilikan [2k\]: are you sure he is reading?
tuerda [1d\]: he has a book open in front of his nose
tuerda [1d\]: he must be reading
Asumi [3d\]: is yongfei ge young?
Dupaaxe [?\]: maybe count letters
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;W[nk]C[Dagobert [4d\]: that thought my teachers too ;-)
zhou901108 [1d\]: q18
tuerda [1d\]: he is basking in the passage of time
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;B[pm]
;W[qc]C[zhou901108 [1d\]: so big now the corner
Dagobert [4d\]: m4 soon
F525 [15k\]: Ouch.
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei's AGA player card is located at http://agagd.usgo.org/Player_Card.php?&key=10617
USGO2 [-\]: Eric's can be found at http://agagd.usgo.org/Player_Card.php?&key=7673
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;B[pc]
;W[pb]C[USGO2 [-\]: Unfortunately I do not know his age, though he is relatively young.
F525 [15k\]: P18?
F525 [15k\]: Let the 15k be right, black!
tuerda [1d\]: r16 for sure
Dagobert [4d\]: i don´t like r16
tuerda [1d\]: the left side looks too strong for P18
Domgo [3k\]: well if black don't play
Domgo [3k\]: p18
Dupaaxe [?\]: no p comment today ?
Domgo [3k\]: l16 group is too confortable
F525 [15k\]: 15k is almost p. Make due with me.
Domgo [3k\]: r16 sente though
F525 [15k\]: Then P18 is useless. ;_;
F525 [15k\]: Isolate and kill, yo. Go 101.
F525 [15k\]: <--- expert.
USGO2 [-\]: The last time Eric and Yongfei played a tournament game was at the 2006 US Go Congress.  They played in both the US Open and North American Ing Masters.
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei won both of those games.
Dupaaxe [?\]: i`m 15 k too xD
Dagobert [4d\]: h11 now? ;-)
F525 [15k\]: Tenuki here?
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei checks Eric's time, then gets up to take a look at board 1.
Dupaaxe [?\]: need to settle corner i think...
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei has used less than 5 minutes of his time.  Eric has used almost 35 minutes.
bstem: the players dont seem to read fast.
Dupaaxe [?\]: reed deep or reed fast ?
USGO2 [-\]: Eric has been playing very slowly and methodically this year.
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;B[qd]
;W[qb]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: read, sorry to much beer
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;B[iq]
;W[hp]
;B[io]C[zhou901108 [1d\]: q2or r3 my guess
BluBs [-\]: c'est une forme tres puissante 
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;W[fc]C[F525 [15k\]: What would be the purpose of that? To come out on the left side?
Domgo [3k\]: white seem in better position
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;B[if]
;W[dh]C[tuerda [1d\]: I prefer w also
USGO2 [-\]: D12 is played with thumb and index finger, rather than the more common two-finger play.
Dupaaxe [?\]: B must invade
Domgo [3k\]: b4 ?
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;B[ni]C[Domgo [3k\]: for black
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;W[lj]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei displays some rare hesitation with the play of M10
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;B[mi]
;W[li]C[Domgo [3k\]: n10 
Domgo [3k\]: time to cut&
Domgo [3k\]: ?
Dagobert [4d\]: black damages his j16 group
Domgo [3k\]: righ.
F525 [15k\]: Explain?
Domgo [3k\]: d18 d15 d12 k17 l14 m11 is all over direction of black
Dagobert [4d\]: white gets stronger in the center .. since black has no eyes he must run to the center
CGBSpender [4d?\]: if he can cut and yet survive at top, i think it's worth it
F525 [15k\]: The cut would be at M9, no?
Domgo [3k\]: n10 m9 n9 
Domgo [3k\]: strengten white to damage black
Domgo [3k\]: at top left
F525 [15k\]: So W will most likely forfeit O9 and go for the kill of J16?
Domgo [3k\]: yes
Domgo [3k\]: saving stones isn't always good you know
Domgo [3k\]: using them to strengten yourself
tuerda [1d\]: the position is quite complex
tuerda [1d\]: I do not think I would let go fo O9 so easily if b cut
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei gets up and leaves the room again.
Dagobert [4d\]: i think black expected sth like l8 and now he is stunned because he realizes he hurt himself 
USGO2 [-\]: Huiren Yang 1p spends several minutes examining the game.
altrecop [1k\]: how many pros are playing the toruney?
USGO2 [-\]: In the US Open, I believe Myungwan Kim is the only one.
F525 [15k\]: USGO2 [-\]: The list of Congress attendees this year can be found at http://gocongress.org/list.php?o=rddalafacasa
altrecop [1k\]: lol
altrecop [1k\]: 12 !?
altrecop [1k\]: 3 9p?
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei walks past the table, but changes his mind, turns around, and sits back down.
MRSA [7d\]: maybe he was lost for a moment
Asumi [3d\]: haha
Dupaaxe [?\]: Sometime walking and bath make ideas Archimede for ex)
bstem: go players must be all couch potatoes, i would get very bored sitting there for this long.
USGO2 [-\]: Eric remains motionless, while Yongfei continues bouncing a leg, his usual tournament game habit.
Asumi [3d\]: how much time is left for eric?
F525 [15k\]: 先手打ってくれ。
USGO2 [-\]: Eric is down to 1 hour and 10 minutes of main time remaining.  Yongfei hasn't even used 8 minutes of his 2 hours yet.
Asumi [3d\]: lol
F525 [15k\]: White gets a lot of time to think while B thinks.
bstem: someone should make go stones 10 pounds each so that they get some exercise.
F525 [15k\]: Weighted sleeves should be required in tournament Go.
F525 [15k\]: 5 kg per dan level.
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei finishes off his bottled water and leave the room again.
F525 [15k\]: 4 dan? 20 kg per arm.
F525 [15k\]: Or even better, weighted finger straps.
F525 [15k\]: 5 kg per dan level.
F525 [15k\]: Now that would be hardcore.
USGO2 [-\]: He returns to the table with a full bottle, condensation clouding the plastic.
DanielFox [1k?\]: TesujiJuice?
DanielFox [1k?\]: I must say your narration is more exciting than the game 
F525 [15k\]: Handmuscle juice indeed.
F525 [15k\]: Wait, is he drinking steroids?
F525 [15k\]: This just got interesting.
Leondesu [14k?\]: I also thought usgo2 was doing a nice job describing ^^
tuerda [1d\]: he needs the steroids to lift the finger straps
Dupaaxe [?\]: Some variation was even better ;)
F525 [15k\]: What sort of chairs have you provided for the players?
USGO2 [-\]: Glad to hear you're enjoying the game :)
USGO2 [-\]: The chairs are simple padded chairs common on college campuses.
USGO2 [-\]: Eric's statuesque posture is broken when he begins his stone tumbling again.
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;B[hi]C[USGO2 [-\]: After hesitating several times, he decides on H11.
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;W[hk]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: :) white is happy at all 
Domgo [3k\]: H11!
F525 [15k\]: H11!!!
Domgo [3k\]: who bet on h11?
F525 [15k\]: 4d.
F525 [15k\]: Dagobert.
F525 [15k\]: I am feeling that Dagobert might be German.
Dupaaxe [?\]: After name look Koreean xD
Asumi [3d\]: h11
Asumi [3d\]: ha
Domgo [3k\]: maybr russian
Asumi [3d\]: so b is going to win, huh?
F525 [15k\]: Yeah, I looked up his profile, he's from Germany.
F525 [15k\]: F525's intuition wins again!
Dupaaxe [?\]: you must be Jedi
USGO2 [-\]: Eric puts a button up shirt on over his t-shirt.
Leondesu [14k?\]: like he did yesterday ^^
F525 [15k\]: Putting on his game shirt, eh.
F525 [15k\]: Does he have his game face on?
F525 [15k\]: Is he staring his opponent down with a death stare?
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei again stands and investigates the progress at board 1.
USGO2 [-\]: He's staring intently at the center of the board.
USGO2 [-\]: Eric is, that is.
F525 [15k\]: I'd be doing the same.
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;B[cl]C[F525 [15k\]: Though there's only 1 move here.
F525 [15k\]: That wasn't it.
Dagobert [4d\]: "all or nothing"
USGO2 [-\]: After playing, he checks Yongfei's time.
Dupaaxe [?\]: a little too lait
F525 [15k\]: Does this mean that B will try to connect J16 and the surrounding stones all the way down to C8?
USGO2 [-\]: Eric rubs his upper lip, and shakes his head slightly at the board.
F525 [15k\]: That sounded pretty stupid,
F525 [15k\]: so I guess not.
Dagobert [4d\]: it´s not possible to connect that easily
Dagobert [4d\]: b will have a hard time living with both
F525 [15k\]: So what is the reasoning behind playing C8?
Dagobert [4d\]: "all or nothing"
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;W[cj]C[F525 [15k\]: Which means that C8 will somehow have a chance at saving J16?
Dupaaxe [?\]: late
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;B[bp]
;W[fh]C[USGO2 [-\]: Both Mingjiu Jiang 7p and Huiren Yang 1p pay board 2 a visit.
Analysis [3d\]: cosmic go
Dupaaxe [?\]: disaster strike :) 
USGO2 [-\]: Once again, Yongfei exits the room.
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;B[gg]C[shai [1d\]: Seems very hard for B -- Who is B and who is W here?
Analysis [3d\]: b is eric lui, w is yongfei ge
shai [1d\]: thx
Analysis [3d\]: it's literally right above this
shai [1d\]: I see
USGO2 [-\]: Eric stands, examines the board once more, then checks out board 1.
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei returns to his seat and Eric points out his move.
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;W[cp]C[iaznab [1k\]: what's the time situation like?
Dagobert [4d\]: w+ a lot, b+ not much
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei has 1 hour and 48 minutes remaining.  Eric is down to 50 minutes.
USGO2 [-\]: Eric turns an aborted play into a stretch.
DuncanC: wierd that this client doesn't show approx time
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;B[co]
;W[bq]
;B[bn]
;W[ap]C[Dagobert [4d\]: that ko looks a bit dangerous
flashback [7d\]: no video broadcast?
Dagobert [4d\]: this is not egc :/
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;B[bj]C[Domgo [3k\]: black.. really bad position
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;W[ci]C[flashback [7d\]: not that bad as u think
Dupaaxe [?\]:  I think that b lead on cash :)
USGO2 [-\]: Eric shifts forward in his chair to get a closer look at the board.
Dagobert [4d\]: yes, b has a lot on the right side .. if he lives everywhere he should be fine 
USGO2 [-\]: Sounds of construction from elsewhere in the building echo through the room.
Archron [5k\]: oh bbw is here
Dupaaxe [?\]: That`s the problem 
Dagobert [4d\]: but l3 will cause some problems later
Dupaaxe [?\]: I not think that 2 stick on North is so healty
flashback [7d\]: any rating list of AGA ?
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;B[jh]C[Dagobert [4d\]: ask google if he knows agagd
Archron [5k\]: throwing star shape!
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;W[kh]C[Dagobert [4d\]: b is a ninja .. he will win for sure
zhou901108 [1d\]: n10
tapir [2d\]: funny, that is the featured article on senseis this week :)
USGO2 [-\]: AGA ratings can be looked up at http://usgo.org/ratings/
Archron [5k\]: exactly :\]
USGO2 [-\]: Entry ranks are shown on the Congress website at http://gocongress.org/list.php?o=rddalafacasa
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;B[ln]
;W[fd]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei slides F16 into place, his hand shaking slightly.
NoBenjamin [5k\]: g15
USGO2 [-\]: Eric puts a hand in his pocket and rocks slowly from side to side while he thinks.
zhou901108 [1d\]: very detailed observation usgo
bstem: usgo2, can you tell if someone's thinking or daydreaming?
USGO2 [-\]: A door to the room is closed in an attempt to keep out the distracting noise from the construction.
USGO2 [-\]: You can tell based on what their eyes are doing.
Dagobert [4d\]: can you tell what they are thinking?
tuerda [1d\]: eyes fixed, brow furrowed, intense concentration: "lets see if I can remember where I put my underwear"
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei clears his throat and sits back in his chair for a moment, before leaning forward again.
USGO2 [-\]: I think the game might be much less exciting if we knew what the players were actually thinking.
Dupaaxe [?\]: where is our jedi ?
Dupaaxe [?\]: He can read their minds
F525 [15k\]: Sorry, I had to channel my energy elsewhere for a while.
Dagobert [4d\]: it´s easy to read a go player´s mind .. if eric looks at the board around g15 it means "what is the best way to live?" if he looks at sth around s11 it means "where did i put my underwear?"
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei takes a drink of water, gets up and once again leaves the room.
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;B[ge]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: g15 ? sacrifice the left stick for life ?
Dagobert [4d\]: he doesn´t sacrifice anything
USGO2 [-\]: Someone has again used one of the emergency exits, and the building is filled with the sound of a noisy alarm.
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei returns to his chair.
USGO2 [-\]: He holds a stone motionless above his bowl
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;W[jn]C[USGO2 [-\]: The alarm falls silent, leaving the room filled with just the sounds of stones and clocks.
tuerda [1d\]: the sound of a gunshot fills the room as the guy who went through the emergency exit is executed
USGO2 [-\]: No, but someone's cell phone rings and they quickly hurry out of the room.
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;B[im]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: solar storm or eartquake ? :)
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;W[jg]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei puts his hands behind his head and leans back in his chair.
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;B[ig]
;W[ji]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: he enjoy superiority
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei's responses to Eric's moves are issued nearly instantly.
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;B[jb]
;W[kb]C[freddygo [3k\]: overconfident? :{
freddygo [3k\]: :P
USGO2 [-\]: Eric gets up and leaves the room.
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei also rises, choosing to once again examine board 1.
mythfrance [2k\]: u can move around during the game==?
Talus [13k\]: if you look at the clocks here, they have plenty of time to do so
USGO2 [-\]: players are allowed to move around as much as they want
USGO2 [-\]: Eric returns to the room
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;B[jd]C[mythfrance [2k\]: oh...
]
;W[kc]C[mythfrance [2k\]: but they r not allowed to talk right?
USGO2 [-\]: their talking would disturb other players
Dragon9d [2d?\]: so far,  Eric Lui is undefeated, right?
Analysis [3d\]: yes both are
USGO2 [-\]: Yes, the crosstab for the US Open is located at http://www.usgo.org/tournaments/crosstab/band-matrix/82
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei still retains 1 hour and 42 mintues of his main time.  Eric has just over 21 minutes left.
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei returns to the table with a full bottle of water.
Dragon9d [2d?\]: b seems to be winning
Dragon9d [2d?\]: as long as j17 lives, b won
]
;B[hb]C[etienne92 [12k\]: i'm watching from a portable phone.who play here? i don't see the names
MrOnizuka [-\]: what about c5 group ?
USGO2 [-\]: White is Yongfei Ge.  Playing black is Eric Lui.
]
;W[lm]C[etienne92 [12k\]: thx
HlFl [-\]: live stream?
Dagobert [4d\]: no live stream
mentatt [8k?\]: is eric lui pianist here in kgs?
Dragon9d [2d?\]: he is?
]
;B[mm]C[Dragon9d [2d?\]: there's no user called pianist
sevenfour [4k\]: ya
HlFl [-\]: kgs has its own pianist. sweet.
sevenfour [4k\]: that is him tho
mentatt [8k?\]: there was, a few years ago
Dragon9d [2d?\]: oh
]
;W[km]C[HlFl [-\]: maybe we could get him to play a few Bill Evans toons later.
HlFl [-\]: tunes*
]
;B[kn]C[HlFl [-\]: i predict that all three top boards will be won by w today!
Dragon9d [2d?\]: even this game?
etienne92 [12k\]: k8?
Dragon9d [2d?\]: b seems to be winning this
nordlab [-\]: you're betting... against Kim myung wan?
]
;W[bk]C[HlFl [-\]: sure
nordlab [-\]: I wouldn't call that a smart wager
Dragon9d [2d?\]: neither would I
USGO2 [-\]: Both players are once again motionless.
]
;B[en]
;W[gn]C[holynec [?\]: start the motionless timer!
Dragon9d [2d?\]: g7?
]
;B[go]C[USGO2 [-\]: Eric slides in G5 without a sound.
]
;W[fo]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei's mouth moves silently.
]
;B[fn]
;W[gm]
;B[fk]C[USGO2 [-\]: The soft sound of board 3 quietly discussing their game drifts over the board.
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei gets up and leaves the room.
USGO2 [-\]: Eric takes the opportunity to wander the room.
USGO2 [-\]: Eric studies the board from behind Yongfei's chair.
Takimme [1d\]: =)
Dragon9d [3d?\]: lol
tuerda [1d\]: eric sits in yongfei's chair and plays a white stone
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei returns and both players retake their seats.
USGO2 [-\]: Eric immediately gets up again and refills is cup from the water station.
Dupaaxe [?\]: No change colors ? :)
Takimme [1d\]: looks like w need kill to win
USGO2 [-\]: He returns and remains standing behind his chair.
USGO2 [-\]: Then sits and resumes his hands-between-knees posture.
]
;W[gl]C[USGO2 [-\]: Eric has 13 minutes left, while Yongfei has 1 hour and 28 minutes left.
]
;B[ck]
;W[bl]
;B[bm]
;W[bi]C[USGO2 [-\]: Observers gather as games begin to finish up.
]
;B[gj]
;W[jm]C[USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei exhales loudly after playing K7
]
;B[jo]
;W[pl]C[USGO2 [-\]: The sound of a piano filters through the room from elsewhere in the building
]
;B[ql]
;W[nm]
;B[nn]
;W[ml]
;B[mn]C[Gith [2d?\]: great commentary USGO2! whats he playing? :)
Dupaaxe [?\]: Piano, alarm... look as a very good condition to think :)
USGO2 [-\]: It wasn't distinct enough to make out, it has since fallen silent.
]
;W[hr]C[USGO2 [-\]: It at least sounded like whoever it was knew their way around a piano.
]
;B[ir]
;W[is]C[Gleek [2d?\]: Haskell Small giving a concert
]
;B[js]
;W[hs]C[Komodo [24k\]: this guy funny
]
;B[jr]
;W[hj]C[USGO2 [-\]: Eric receives his 10-minute warning from the clock.
]
;B[gi]C[Dragon9d [3d\]: the game has gotten much closer
]
;W[ng]C[nordlab [-\]: It was always close
nordlab [-\]: as far as I could tell
]
;B[og]
;W[rc]
;B[rd]
;W[el]C[nordlab [-\]: this is big
nordlab [-\]: E5?
NoBenjamin [5k\]: e9  looks fine to me
nordlab [-\]: it's very gote
forte [5k\]: yeah, I would reflexively play e9, but
USGO2 [-\]: Eric has entered byo yomi.
forte [5k\]: e5 is probably the better yose move
nordlab [-\]: I think e5, then F8.... personally.
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei still has over an hour and 20 minutes.
]
;B[ao]
;W[bo]C[nordlab [-\]: oh, cool
]
;B[eo]C[Komodo [24k\]: nice ko threat
]
;W[fp]
;B[bp]
;W[aq]C[nordlab [-\]: F8?
]
;B[ek]
;W[em]C[nordlab [-\]: this way?
USGO2 [-\]: Eric has used 1 byo yomi period
]
;B[dk]C[pebarefoot [-\]: mighty big lr corner for b (so far)
pebarefoot [-\]: yeah, Eric does that
pebarefoot [-\]: Eric hardly ever seems to run out of time, however
USGO2 [-\]: Eric periodically shakes his head
nordlab [-\]: This isn't looking good for Eric
nordlab [-\]: I don't think he can afford komi right now
]
;W[dn]C[nordlab [-\]: and white has sente
nordlab [-\]: man... this was why I didn't like E9...
Juicy [4k\]: damn
]
;B[cm]
;W[do]C[nordlab [-\]: that's probably going to be game
USGO2 [-\]: He's making unhappy-sounding noises and continuing to shake his head.
]
;B[oc]
;W[ob]
;B[nd]
;W[mc]C[nordlab [-\]: J6?
]
;B[mg]C[Juicy [4k\]: h7 better?
nordlab [-\]: no, Juicy, the point is to take liberties off of the K7 group
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei makes a slight hissing sound after the play of N13.
Juicy [4k\]: why?
nordlab [-\]: for sente reasons
]
;W[om]C[forte [5k\]: right, j6 gives B k8 in sente
nordlab [-\]: if white tenukis after both H7 or J6
Juicy [4k\]: ohh
Juicy [4k\]: i see
Juicy [4k\]: ty
nordlab [-\]: J6 allows the K8 hane
]
;B[on]
;W[sd]C[nordlab [-\]: white will grab J7 soon
]
;B[se]
;W[sc]
;B[re]
;W[me]
;B[nf]C[Komodo [24k\]: b has alot of territory
nordlab [-\]: not enough
]
;W[ja]C[forte [5k\]: yeah, not quite enough
USGO2 [-\]: Eric has used a second byo yomi period.
Juicy [4k\]: if black can get sente back
Komodo [24k\]: some clever moves and maybe a win does anyone no the territory count>
]
;B[hm]C[forte [5k\]: W up by about 5-10 I think
nordlab [-\]: H7...
forte [5k\]: yeah, lol
nordlab [-\]: white will tenuki that, I think
USGO2 [-\]: Yongfei takes a stone, but then places it back in the bowl.
forte [5k\]: B wants h8 in sente?
nordlab [-\]: no
Fratloev [3k\]: j8 big ?
nordlab [-\]: because white G9 is sente on black
forte [5k\]: ah, of course
nordlab [-\]: black will have to try E11 first, I guess
nordlab [-\]: Eric's probably seen that far
USGO2 [-\]: He twice more takes a stone and then returns it to the bowl without playing.
nordlab [-\]: Hmm...
nordlab [-\]: the more I look at it...
nordlab [-\]: Ok, white will probably respond here.
nordlab [-\]: If not, I think black has a chance at winning
Fratloev [3k\]: very close game
]
;W[gb]C[lwhite [5d\]: black should win by a little
captnapalm [1d\]: nice move
USGO2 [-\]: Eric has used his third byo yomi period, leaving him with just 2 remaining periods.
nordlab [-\]: so yeah... Eric... E11?
]
;B[ei]C[forte [5k\]: good call
nordlab [-\]: there we go...
nordlab [-\]: then H8 sente and then something.
]
;W[eh]C[nordlab [-\]: ok... this is making me nervouse... Eric doesn't have two eyes anymore, from what I can see...
nordlab [-\]: oh, H8 isn't sente...
USGO2 [-\]: Eric is now on his last byo yomi period
nordlab [-\]: but J9, maybe...
]
;B[ih]C[nordlab [-\]: needs eyes...
]
;W[ib]C[Illyria [2k?\]: that's one eye
]
;B[hc]
;W[ne]C[forte [5k\]: He's got one in ko, if he has to
Komodo [24k\]: is this game on lunch break too?
USGO2 [-\]: Myungwan Kim briefly steps over from board 1.
]
;B[df]
;W[cf]C[eerrr: j8
Juicy [4k\]: p15 seems large to me
]
;B[oe]
;W[mf]C[nordlab [-\]: argh
nordlab [-\]: I recounted
nordlab [-\]: it's too close for me to determine
]
;B[nh]C[Juicy [4k\]: shouldnt white h19
nordlab [-\]: that's a big gote
Juicy [4k\]: yea
nordlab [-\]: but he needs to take all his sente's first
forte [5k\]: almost reverse sente
forte [5k\]: for B
forte [5k\]: no, I meant W
NoBenjamin [5k\]: i want black to get j9
Juicy [4k\]: [p-
]
;W[bo]C[Juicy [4k\]: ouch
]
;B[mj]
;W[mk]C[nordlab [-\]: this ko mucks everything up...
forte [5k\]: yeah, I bet it just makes counting that much more difficult...
]
;B[il]C[nordlab [-\]: it will probably tip the scales against Eric's point count
nordlab [-\]: Eric probably counts the ko against himself
]
;W[jk]C[nordlab [-\]: and so lowers his estimate of his score and sees himself as slightly behind
]
;B[jl]
;W[kl]C[USGO1 [-\]: Eek! So scary for black on his last byo-yomi period...
]
;B[ha]C[nordlab [-\]: H19!!
captnapalm [1d\]: h19 and j8 were biggest points i think
nordlab [-\]: Is this bigger than the ko?
nordlab [-\]: I didn't see this move coming... it messes with my count....
Fratloev [3k\]: i think so
Juicy [4k\]: ko is gote for w tho yes/
Juicy [4k\]: ?
martijn [11k?\]: I don't se why h19 is big
]
;W[cn]C[forte [5k\]: at this point, it takes 2 pts away from W, which is big in endgame
nordlab [-\]: more than 2
Juicy [4k\]: 3 at leas
Juicy [4k\]: t
nordlab [-\]: at least 3, potentially 4
fada [2k\]: black live ?
forte [5k\]: right, of course
Dagobert [4d\]: 5
]
;B[gd]C[captnapalm [1d\]: b needs another move i think
forte [5k\]: oh yeah, potentially 5
]
;W[gh]C[evanj [2d\]: i hope eric doesn't lose on time
captnapalm [1d\]: f11
nordlab [-\]: Eric rarely loses on time, from what I understand
]
;B[hh]C[forte [5k\]: He was in last period of byoyomi yesterday too
forte [5k\]: for the entire endgame
]
;W[ff]C[eerrr: f15
]
;B[fe]
;W[fg]
;B[gf]C[Tabemasu [6d\]: B should win by a bit I think
]
;W[pk]C[Dupaaxe [?\]: :) 
Dagobert [4d\]: yes, but just "a bit" .. it´s somehow close
]
;B[lg]C[forte [5k\]: a bit to them is 1.5-2.5
Dupaaxe [?\]: and you hawe right , not lost left stick
]
;W[kg]C[eerrr: f8
]
;B[dg]
;W[cg]C[forte [5k\]: I like j10
Vovka27 [3k\]: j10..
USGO1 [-\]: wow got to 3 seconds left before he hit the clock
]
;B[ij]C[USGO1 [-\]: 8!
]
;W[jj]C[au2 [2d?\]: is sound on for the clock?
Vovka27 [3k\]: j9
USGO2 [-\]: Yes
au2 [2d?\]: thx
]
;B[gp]
;W[gq]C[Juicy [4k\]: f8?
nordlab [-\]: I still can't call it
nordlab [-\]: but I trust the counting skills of Guthrie Price more than my own
]
;B[al]
;W[aj]C[VISA [4d\]: i think w will win by a bit
USGO1 [-\]: clock counted to 9 that time X.X
VISA [4d\]: komi is 6.5 rught?
forte [5k\]: 7.5
USGO1 [-\]: So dangerous!~
VISA [4d\]: ok
]
;B[ga]
;W[fa]C[VISA [4d\]: then w will probably win
]
;B[fl]
;W[fm]C[Dagobert [4d\]: last periode?
nordlab [-\]: D16...
Dagobert [4d\]: -e
fada [2k\]: K15
nordlab [-\]: Eric is on his final period
]
;B[je]C[VISA [4d\]: that
fada [2k\]: YES
VISA [4d\]: is not a problem now
]
;W[ik]C[evanj [2d\]: man close
nordlab [-\]: no, but it was a problem around 50 moves ago when that first happened
Juicy [4k\]: d16
VISA [4d\]: oh
Danielsan [2k\]: m16
]
;B[ii]C[nordlab [-\]: m16 looks pretty good...
nordlab [-\]: Assault Rifle Tesuji
]
;W[lh]C[Dagobert [4d\]: b+3?
Dagobert [4d\]: no .. rather 2
VISA [4d\]: what is that? grab an AK-47 and shoot your opponent?
]
;B[dd]
;W[cd]
;B[ia]C[nordlab [-\]: no, it's m16
VISA [4d\]: ok...
forte [5k\]: ah, I get it now
evanj [2d\]: ba dum bum
fada [2k\]: f11
evanj [2d\]: no
nordlab [-\]: ..
nordlab [-\]: wow...
nordlab [-\]: if white connects
nordlab [-\]: that ko, black wins by 0.5
nordlab [-\]: according to my count, anyway
VISA [4d\]: b +1.5 i think
VISA [4d\]: hard to say right now
Illyria [2k?\]: close game is close
Juicy [4k\]: a6
VISA [4d\]: will w connect?
pebarefoot [-\]: it's really close!
SUIRAD [2d\]: it's damn close
evanj [2d\]: it's hella close
evanj [2d\]: it's wicked close
SjlverWjng [19k?\]: 2.5
Juicy [4k\]: its close!
nordlab [-\]: This is the kind of move that's like hell for me
VISA [4d\]: i bet b will win
MrAwesome [1k\]: it's anti-open
pebarefoot [-\]: I guess we can agree, it's close, lol
]
;W[lf]C[tuerda [1d\]: its so close we can taste it
Tabemasu [6d\]: The result should be unchangeable no matter what
indianayk [4d\]: b probably wins by 2.5 points?
]
;B[jb]
;W[qm]C[nordlab [-\]: man, Ge Yongfei....
nordlab [-\]: using these threats to win...
]
;B[pn]
;W[ib]C[Dagobert [4d\]: move 26: Dagobert [4d\]: my prediction: whoever plays h11 will win this game
]
;B[ol]
;W[nl]
;B[jb]
;W[qj]C[nordlab [-\]: black doesn't have the threats to win this...
tuerda [1d\]: just before that someone said whoever played tengen would win
]
;B[rm]C[Dagobert [4d\]: yes, f525
]
;W[ib]C[VISA [4d\]: yeah b has like one threat
Dagobert [4d\]: he lost ;-)
Dagobert [4d\]: atleast i hope ..
eerrr: g17
]
;B[gc]
;W[fb]
;B[jb]C[nordlab [-\]: he still has C17...
evanj [2d\]: then c17
]
;W[qn]C[indianayk [4d\]: it makes sense for w to play ko since he is losing
evanj [2d\]: but w has more
]
;B[rn]C[nordlab [-\]: wait... is this a threat?
Zahlman [1k\]: really nothing bigger than this ko? short game then...
]
;W[ib]C[nordlab [-\]: C17?
]
;B[cc]C[evanj [2d\]: yup
]
;W[cb]C[pebarefoot [-\]: w can keep this for awhile, just on the r side alone
nordlab [-\]: then ko then P11
]
;B[jb]
;W[rl]C[nordlab [-\]: I think the right side has the only threats...
]
;B[rk]
;W[ib]C[evanj [2d\]: yup
martijn [11k?\]: j6 also..
nordlab [-\]: extend B18
VISA [4d\]: j6 is a threat
evanj [2d\]: j6 gives b a threat too though
evanj [2d\]: two in fact
]
;B[ke]C[evanj [2d\]: net loss
pebarefoot [-\]: but there are a lot of them :-)
martijn [11k?\]: oh cool
]
;W[le]
;B[jb]
;W[oi]
;B[pi]
;W[ib]C[martijn [11k?\]: you mean, m8, then l9?
evanj [2d\]: no i mean L9 then M9
]
;B[mh]C[forte [5k\]: oh man, if B had played j6...
evanj [2d\]: hm
indianayk [4d\]: w wins the ko
evanj [2d\]: ... and the game?
fada [2k\]: f11 now
nordlab [-\]: white can't fill that ko right now
captnapalm [1d\]: f11!
nordlab [-\]: white has to keep winning that ko
evanj [2d\]: he can
SjlverWjng [19k?\]: J6
]
;W[fi]C[evanj [2d\]: he has at least 3 more threats
Zahlman [1k\]: why can't w fill?
VISA [4d\]: well d11 and f11 are equivalent
evanj [2d\]: not big enough
evanj [2d\]: but this is sente
forte [5k\]: D11
]
;B[di]C[VISA [4d\]: imeant dll for b
VISA [4d\]: s11
VISA [4d\]: d11 i mean
]
;W[md]C[fada [2k\]: a6
]
;B[jb]
;W[ph]
;B[oh]
;W[ib]C[Fratloev [3k\]: why black play f11 ?
]
;B[am]C[Fratloev [3k\]: s11 i mean
]
;W[ak]
;B[jb]C[tuerda [1d\]: looks like it might be ko for the game
fada [2k\]: 1 points
arbas [3k\]: blanc perd 1 point
]
;W[qi]
;B[oi]C[SjlverWjng [19k?\]: 2
]
;W[ib]C[nordlab [-\]: Yeah... I think this is ko for the game
arbas [3k\]: pardo,n
evanj [2d\]: and w's going to win it
jenesis [4d?\]: B+1.5
eerrr: bwon
]
;B[ai]
;W[ah]
;B[jb]C[pebarefoot [-\]: yesa, it seems that close
]
;W[rj]C[pebarefoot [-\]: ko for the game
AetherSoul [4k\]: B17 for black
]
;B[sl]
;W[ib]C[nordlab [-\]: no wait
nordlab [-\]: it's not...
nordlab [-\]: if white wins the ko, Black can still win, I think
evanj [2d\]: he can?
VISA [4d\]: b wins
evanj [2d\]: hm
NoBenjamin [5k\]: b17?
VISA [4d\]: just connect both kos
evanj [2d\]: i'm missing something then
]
;B[od]
;W[jb]C[evanj [2d\]: b17 isn't a threat
USGO2 [-\]: Eric counts out moves with his fingers
VISA [4d\]: w can only win one ko
Danielsan [2k\]: b17 don't work 
]
;B[an]C[pebarefoot [-\]: I will not try to out guess a 7d!
gogadget [4k\]: W wins any way
VISA [4d\]: ok lets count
nordlab [-\]: black's ahead by 2
nordlab [-\]: or so
Dagobert [4d\]: b+
nordlab [-\]: I think...
]
;W[dj]C[jenesis [4d?\]: b still wins I counted 1.5
]
;B[ej]C[evanj [2d\]: b's ahead by 2, give or take 3.5
]
;W[ch]
;B[jf]C[NoBenjamin [5k\]: lol
pebarefoot [-\]: lol
]
;W[gk]C[indianayk [4d\]: w wins
]
;B[fj]C[nordlab [-\]: I should know better than to go against Tabemasu's count
]
;W[dm]
;B[ip]C[evanj [2d\]: i really think w wins
]
;W[in]
;B[hn]C[USGO1 [-\]: They'll be counting soon. Remember that they must pass a stone to the opponent on Pass by AGA rules.
]
;W[hl]
;B[eg]
;W[dl]C[nordlab [-\]: Pass stone never changes result
pebarefoot [-\]: ouch
nordlab [-\]: that's been mathematically proven
Illyria [2k?\]: b+1.5?
evanj [2d\]: math shmath
VISA [4d\]: b wins i think
Danielsan [2k\]: What does pass have to do with the score?
pebarefoot [-\]: AND 8 komi
VISA [4d\]: 7.5
nordlab [-\]: either way, white made the last move, no net pass stone
pebarefoot [-\]: right?
wingnoll [11k\]: so white pass to black, 1stone, black pass to white, 1stone, 1-1=0 no change
evanj [2d\]: komi 8 but w wins ties, so 7.5
jenesis [4d?\]: oh komi is 8?
tapir [2d\]: black must be disappointed.
forte [5k\]: yeah, I count B+1.5
pebarefoot [-\]: ah, thx, the was the NAIM, lol
telemit [8k\]: w +3,5
evanj [2d\]: hm
evanj [2d\]: let's take a vote
martijn [11k?\]: big spread of counting here
VISA [4d\]: I VOTE BLACK
forte [5k\]: SE is wrong
nordlab [-\]: Black's ahead
AetherSoul [4k\]: is SE like, not allowed? >_<
USGO2 [-\]: B + 1.5
forte [5k\]: B wins
au2 [2d?\]: thanks USGO2
evanj [2d\]: ok
VISA [4d\]: se always fails
jenesis [4d?\]: when I counted I used 6.5
gogadget [4k\]: SE pretty reliable at this point
nordlab [-\]: no it's not
tuerda [1d\]: is that official usgo2?
VISA [4d\]: se doesn't work
forte [5k\]: not with chinese counting
USGO2 [-\]: Yes
jenesis [4d?\]: in that case its half point
evanj [2d\]: that's official
eerrr: b+0,5
Illyria [2k?\]: thanks usgo
nordlab [-\]: Awesome
pebarefoot [-\]: evanj, may as well, or we could wait for the count
forte [5k\]: B+1.5 is official
evanj [2d\]: count just happened :P
gogadget [4k\]: it is now, because theres nothing left\]
evanj [2d\]: and i was wrong
Dupaaxe [?\]: official ??
AetherSoul [4k\]: oh, it's chinese?
VISA [4d\]: nooooo
forte [5k\]: yeah, USGO2 said it
tuerda [1d\]: aga
AetherSoul [4k\]: might as well make solid everything then
VISA [4d\]: its aga
Komodo [24k\]: thnx
martijn [11k?\]: ok, so question: how is SE wrong here?
USGO2 [-\]: Thanks for joining us for our live coverage of the 2010 US Open, brought to you by the E-Journal.  Tune in tonight for our live coverage of the North American Ing Masters!
VISA [4d\]: Thanks USGO2!
forte [5k\]: martijn: it's a programming problem, or something
forte [5k\]: I'm not too clear on it
Tabemasu [6d\]: se is wrong because it's using aga rules
Danielsan [2k\]: b94 w 84 + komi I count
USGO2 [-\]: NAIM begins in 6.5 hours.
forte [5k\]: but if you manually count it, B wins by 1.5
Dagobert [4d\]: thx usgo2, you are better than any video stream!
martijn [11k?\]: so it shows the stones dead correctly, but...
USGO2 [-\]: You're certainly welcome! :)
martijn [11k?\]: uh
martijn [11k?\]: hmm.
BinX [9k?\]: I agree with dagobert
forte [5k\]: yeah martijn, it's weird and stupid
martijn [11k?\]: thx
bitki: thx
Dupaaxe [?\]: :)
martijn [11k?\]: thx USGO2
jenesis [4d?\]: stop relying on SE
Dupaaxe [?\]: tx 
DuncanC: thx USGO2  Great commentary
gggggggg: but se counts all kgs games in the end. we all rely on it
USGO2 [-\]: Glad you enjoyed it :)
Danielsan [2k\]: Martijn from Holland?
jenesis [4d?\]: well not in the middle of the game!
gogadget [4k\]: this is not middle of game if you noticed
jenesis [4d?\]: I was referring to all the peeps who were convinced W+ its because they were using SE earlier
jenesis [4d?\]: by doing a count, B is ahead
gggggggg: iwas convinced w+ because i counted (obviously wrong though)
jenesis [4d?\]: ah but thats why we all must practice 
gggggggg: but i had it w+3,5 towards the end
SjlverWjng [19k?\]: 1.5
SjlverWjng [19k?\]: :-?
SjlverWjng [19k?\]: ?
Danielsan [2k\]: I count b 10 ahead minus whatever komi
jenesis [4d?\]: prisoners?
Danielsan [2k\]: yeah that included
jenesis [4d?\]: but thats right
jenesis [4d?\]: b ahead
jenesis [4d?\]: I am not sure how counting can give w ahead
SinaGo [4k\]: b 3.5
jenesis [4d?\]: not sure about the bug with SE either
martijn [11k?\]: Danielsan: I am half dutch yes :)
SjlverWjng [19k?\]: 1.5 point
tapir [2d\]: SE seems to be implementing AGA rules differently
jenesis [4d?\]: the score tool is correct
jenesis [4d?\]: just SE is wrong
jenesis [4d?\]: so SE is not the score tool
jenesis [4d?\]: despite what g says
Danielsan [2k\]: I had a friend of a friend from Holland visiting Norway who said he had played go, wondering if that was you ^^
martijn [11k?\]: nope sorry
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